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	<title>Comments on: Crimes Against Humanity: James Hansen Calls for Trials of Oil, Coal Chief Executives</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Pauli</title>
		<link>http://climaticidechronicles.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/crimes-against-humanity-james-hansen-calls-for-trials-of-oil-coal-chief-executives/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Pauli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Humans - as a species - have not yet decided whether to survive.  There is no multigenerational vision or plan.

See the case of Kivalina v Exxon for possible legal action against carbon fuel companies.

It is not so much a crime against humanity -- as it is that humanity has abdicated its future.

Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans &#8211; as a species &#8211; have not yet decided whether to survive.  There is no multigenerational vision or plan.</p>
<p>See the case of Kivalina v Exxon for possible legal action against carbon fuel companies.</p>
<p>It is not so much a crime against humanity &#8212; as it is that humanity has abdicated its future.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyRook</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnnyRook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Hansen&#039;s predictions look basically sound. Denialists never seem to understand that a few months or a single year&#039;&#039;s worth of data is meaningless.  What strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt; matter are the five-year moving averages.  The GISS data which you link to from you own page, while showing some year-to-year fluctuation in the annual mean, show a consistent rise in the 5 year mean.

If you misunderstood the recent nature article which supposedly supported global cooling see Joseph Romm&#039;s analysis here:

http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/02/nature-article-on-cooling-confuses-revkin-media-deniers-next-decade-may-see-rapid-warming/

Moreover, we&#039;ve learned a few things in the last 20 years about how the oceans heat up and how that process has sheltered us from feeling the full effects of increasing greenhouse gases. However, there is a limit to how much heat the oceans can absorb.  Once that limit is reached all the heating in the pipeline will become apparent.

For more see here: 

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/11/is-the-ocean-carbon-sink-sinking/

and here:

http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/

Add in the fact that we&#039;ve been in La Niña mode for a couple of years now, and it&#039;s not hard to understand what&#039;s going on.

Even if Hansen&#039;s predictions were completely wrong, which they are not, why do you ignore the rest of the paper which has proven to be very prescient?  And, for that matter, what about all the other evidence?: the rapid rise in CO2, the increase in extreme weather intensity, the melting away of arctic sea ice which you don&#039;t mention.

It&#039;s hard to take your position seriously when you   cherry pick the data in order to find something to quibble about, while ignoring all the other information and how if fits together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Hansen&#8217;s predictions look basically sound. Denialists never seem to understand that a few months or a single year&#8221;s worth of data is meaningless.  What strong&gt;do matter are the five-year moving averages.  The GISS data which you link to from you own page, while showing some year-to-year fluctuation in the annual mean, show a consistent rise in the 5 year mean.</p>
<p>If you misunderstood the recent nature article which supposedly supported global cooling see Joseph Romm&#8217;s analysis here:</p>
<p><a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/02/nature-article-on-cooling-confuses-revkin-media-deniers-next-decade-may-see-rapid-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/02/nature-article-on-cooling-confuses-revkin-media-deniers-next-decade-may-see-rapid-warming/</a></p>
<p>Moreover, we&#8217;ve learned a few things in the last 20 years about how the oceans heat up and how that process has sheltered us from feeling the full effects of increasing greenhouse gases. However, there is a limit to how much heat the oceans can absorb.  Once that limit is reached all the heating in the pipeline will become apparent.</p>
<p>For more see here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/11/is-the-ocean-carbon-sink-sinking/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/11/is-the-ocean-carbon-sink-sinking/</a></p>
<p>and here:</p>
<p><a href="http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/2007/10/26/soaring-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-sinks-saturating/</a></p>
<p>Add in the fact that we&#8217;ve been in La Niña mode for a couple of years now, and it&#8217;s not hard to understand what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>Even if Hansen&#8217;s predictions were completely wrong, which they are not, why do you ignore the rest of the paper which has proven to be very prescient?  And, for that matter, what about all the other evidence?: the rapid rise in CO2, the increase in extreme weather intensity, the melting away of arctic sea ice which you don&#8217;t mention.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to take your position seriously when you   cherry pick the data in order to find something to quibble about, while ignoring all the other information and how if fits together.</p>
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		<title>By: Dirck the Noorman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dirck the Noorman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strange no one has bothered to actually go back and look at the predictions Hansen made in his 1988 testimony? 

The last page of his prepared remarks had a historical time-series of global mean temperature through 1987, plus predictions for various scenarios through 2019.

Well, we have 20 more years of data now - how do his predictions look so far? Wildly wrong.

Check it out - all the data here:

http://tinyurl.com/6cms9f]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange no one has bothered to actually go back and look at the predictions Hansen made in his 1988 testimony? </p>
<p>The last page of his prepared remarks had a historical time-series of global mean temperature through 1987, plus predictions for various scenarios through 2019.</p>
<p>Well, we have 20 more years of data now &#8211; how do his predictions look so far? Wildly wrong.</p>
<p>Check it out &#8211; all the data here:</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/6cms9f" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6cms9f</a></p>
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